This was posted in my comments this morning. I couldn't let this one go.
"Greetings Sober Nuggets
I wonder if this might interest you: The 12 Steps Down To Hell
I imagine 12 Step recovery programs are a slow slide into the jaws of Satan. I was involved with this evil “satanic cult” for over 30 years but was saved through the power of Jesus Christ. He directed me to a therapist who was into “real” recovery, not the mind destroying, soul destroying, cult, which is AA. I have met two Steppers recently & I imagine they are completely devoid of any emotion or insight. I feel pain because both these men are decent human beings but AA has destroyed their individuality & they have no idea how to relate apart from expounding AA propaganda. I imagine Hell to be a continuous flow of AA meetings without any light at the end of the tunnel because one never recovers'. I beg you people who are in 12 Step programs, to get out before it is too late.How does one recover when one is handing one’s power over to AA. The 12 Steps were written out of Wilson’s head, he certainly didn’t get his guidance from the Bible. I imagine he was an agent of Satan & he & Smith’s “cult religion” has filled millions of Steppers with their anti - Christ propaganda.Step Three of AA is "Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood him." While many in the Oxford Group placed their faith in Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, there was much leeway given. Shoemaker, a leader of the Oxford Group, says, "The true meaning of faith is self-surrender to God." He further explains:Surrender to whatever you know about Him, or believe must be the truth about Him. Surrender to Him, if necessary, in total ignorance of Him. Far more important that you touch Him than that you understand Him at first. Put yourself in His hands. Whatever He is, as William James said, He is more ideal than we are. Make the leap. Give yourself to Him.Aside from capitalizing the "H," which Christians do to refer to the God of the Bible, "Him" could refer to any god of one’s own making.Can you see what is happening to you? Ask Jesus to take control of you lives, read the Bible & instead of 12 Step groups go to Bible study groups. Burn your Big Book or use it as toilet paper. Can you see the difference: With The 12 Steps, you never recover but with John 3:16 you are guaranteed Eternal Salvation. The “ball is in your court” I'm also a Catholic & AA nearly sent me insane. You are being brainwashed. Do you know that Jesus Christ is not mentioned once in the Big Book! Trust Jesus not Satan [12 Step Programs]
Peace Be With You
PS: I am a recovered alcoholic with over 21 years of sobriety"
3/12/2007 06:11:00 AM
Wow, where do I begin? I have a hard time with Christians saying things like this. Obviously Patrick doesn't understand why Jesus Christ is never mentioned in the Big Book. AA is not intended to be a Christian program, nor does it claim to be a Christian Program. It's sad that people have to assume that if you're not Christian, you must be Satanic or Godless. I know what The Bible says. I know that it says the only way to the Father is through the Son, that in order to get to God, you must come through Jesus. However, I believe there are many, many ways to Jesus and who knows what they all are. There's no way we can judge those things with our limited human minds. And to do so simply departs from how Jesus asks us to live in order to maintain a personal relationship with Him. We are not to judge, that is up to Jesus and God, not us. I guess the thing that disturbs me is that Patrick hasn't the courage to discuss his point of view. Rather, he would prefer to leave a venomous, derogatory post on my blog, without hanging round to defend that which is truly indefensible. To assert that AA is a Satanic cult is actually sort of funny, if it weren't so sad. AA has saved the lives and families of so many miserable, hopeless souls. Last time I checked, the Devil is in the business of claiming souls for himself.
Ironically, it is Alcoholics Anonymous which led me to Jesus Christ and the Catholic Church. I find that rather amusing after all Patrick had to say about AA. I only hope that you all do not allow Patrick to be the only example of a Catholic Christian you see. We don't all share Patrick's views, I can most definitely assure you of that. Ah well... I supposed I could've easily just deleted Patrick's post. I felt that it needed some discussion. I have seen websites dedicated to this sort of thing and it's troubling. So, I will probably always step forward to defend AA and try my best to be a good example of Christian faith.
Prayer for today...
JC/HP/God... I pray for You to be in my life today, that You might help me live a sober, useful life today. Thank You for bringing Patrick to me today. I suppose I needed his perspective in order to strengthen my faith in You and in the good works You do every day through Alcoholics Anonymous. I do not question Patrick's intentions, but please help me to be kind, compassionate and also understanding of the means he uses to accomplish his intentions. I know in my heart of hearts that You are the Way of Light and Truth. I pray that my personal ministry might take a more loving, less judgemental approach.
peace be with you all today!